tv Special Report With Bret Baier FOX News January 28, 2011 6:00pm-7:00pm EST
>> bret: good evening. i'm bret baier. this is a fox news alert. much of the world's attention is focussed tonight on egypt. the arab world's most populist nation, and the fourth biggest recipient of u.s. aid. the fourth day of anti-government demonstrations there has been the most intense so far. and the u.s. is now trying to balance ro motion of democracy and the relationship with america's closest arab ally. moments ago, egyptian president hosni mubarak spoke to his nation, saying according to translation,
"there is a fine line between freedom and chaos." but then the 29-year president of egypt demanded his cabinet resign, promise social, economic and political reforms and said a new government would be appointed saturday. >> translator: i will not allow fear to take over the citizens. this is why i will not let it control our destiny. and our future. our will. entrust the new government starting today. to work and deal with priorities of the egyptian people. >> bret: we have fox team coverage tonight. white house correspondent mike emanuel tells us what the obama administration is doing and saying, but we begin with correspondent greg palkot in cairo.
>> egyptian people enforce change. >> we have to have continuity and orderly transition of power. >> this came following call for friday prayers at mosque and cairo and elsewhere. sop say they see the tide turning. troops were hailed by protester after they got from police seen for allies for change. >> bret: we lost the connection there to greg palkot in cairo. we'll head back when we have breaking news and re-establish that line. now let's see how the president and his team are reacting to all of this. white house correspondent mike emanuel is monitoring that. good evening, mike. >> good evening. white house officials describe it as a fluid
situation and say they are deeply concerned about the situation in egypt. president obama has not spoke within the egyptian president hosni mubarak but officials here made it clear mr. obama is spending considerable time on egypt. instead of the standard president daily brief, aides say mr. obama spent 40 minutes meeting with key members of the national security team on egypt. short time later, secretary of state clinton spoke about the unfolding situation involving a key arab ally. >> we are deeply concerned about the use of violence by egyptian police and security forces against protesters. and we call on the egyptian government to do everything in its power to restrain the security forces. >> in an interview yesterday, vice president biden was careful in his description of egyptian president hosni mubarak. >> i think that it would be, i would not refer to him as a dictator. >> reporter: officials say the u.s. will review the $1.5 billion in annual aid to
egypt based on events. today the administration offered helpful hints to mubarak governments. >> there are deep grievances within egyptian society. and the egyptian government needs to understand that violence will not make these grievances go away. >> but as protests developed in the u.s. and the number of those killed and injured in egypt kept growing, pressure built on the obama administration to take a more forceful stand against the violence. white house spokesman robert gibbs condemned the violence on both sides and called on the government to address concerns of the people and return freedoms including use of the internet and social networking websites. >> we've reached a point where grievances of those have to be addressed in concrete reforms. have to. must. unequivocal. >> still experts say the u.s. has to determine how long it will stand with mubarak. >> you want to be careful
here, because if you just hang on to a person whose people are rejecting him, then you wind up opposing the good forces of reform. and what you might get might be the extreme reaction against that. and maybe even islamist revolution. that's the outcome to avoid. >> at the white house, the officials do not want to speculate whether mubarak's government will last, but there are a wide range of meetings going on across the u.s. government. and officials here say they're preparing for a whole host of scenarios. bret? >> bret: thank you. we re-established the connection with greg palkot live in cairo and greg joins us. what is the situation now? as far as the protests as they are developing on the streets? >> hey, bret. we are still hearing protests, just outside the win doe of our studio. the -- window of the studio. the statement coming well after midnight cairo time on state television, from hosni mubarak sending out a word to the egyptian people to remain
calm. he offered that pledge of reform. he offered help for the poor. even offered that shake-up in the government, but will it be enough? after seeing and hearing what we saw all day, and in to the night in cairo, i am not too sure. take a look at with a we saw. excuse me. we don't have that report. but again, we were out on the street. hearing people clashing with police. we saw the riot police all through the day. using water cannons, using rubber bullets against protesters, who i must say, bret, were holding their own in their battle with the riot police. and they were throwing rocks, throwing molotov cocktails, torching vehicles. and throughout the day, it was a battle which by the end of the day, they seemed to be winning. but the hatred against the police grew and grew as the day wore on.
and then remarkably, at 6:00 p.m., we saw a curfew, a military imposed curfew. we saw tanks and armored personnel carriers rolling in to the city. the police disappeared and in fact, the protesters saw the soldiers perhaps as a part of a transition. part of way to get out of this problem. in fact, that's what the military was all about now. i talk to people shortly after that speech by the comments from mubarak. i said is this enough according to theerts i talked to -- experts i talked to, it was more concession and won't be enough. the people outside the windows now, in the burning embers of the political headquarter building for hosni mubarak, the radio and tv building is also been attacked as well. they are chanting "go, go, go
leave, leave, leave." so no. >> bret: the make-up of the protesters, do off sense of the size, who is involved in this? i know it is a big, big effort on the street. but we are getting report that the muslim brotherhood, radical islamic party in egypt made calls to get out on the streets. how much is that group do you any a part of all of this? >> this was a new element in the protest today. this has been going on for four days. er the first time, we -- for the first time we saw the outlawed islamic, muslim brotherhood political and social movement and party here in egypt. organizing and getting out from experts i talk to. the feeling was they were waiting on the sideline. waiting to see how this was going. and as the protesters began to get the upper hand, they decided to capitalize on it. it must add, though, we saw other people on the streets today as well. i would classify them more in the secular category.
we saw mohamed el baradei, the former iaea chief out trying to push his own democratic reform. the final thing is that this was a cross section of people i talked to, housewives, middle class, upper class, lower class, everybody was out in the streets today. and the message pretty uniform. and unanimous. back to you. >> bret: greg, we'll head back for breaking details. thank you. live from cairo. continuing coverage of the fast-moving situation in egypt in a few minutes with james rosen. jennifer griffin and catherine herridge and expanded all-star pam on the topic. we will look at the latest fight over healthcare reform in a bit. but first, we'll tell you about the strongest opposition force in egypt which is mobilizing in the streets.
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the top story. more unrest, fourth day of protests across egypt turned out to be the most intense. hosni mubarak says he has asked the cabinet to resign and says he will press ahead with social economic and political reforms but is that enough? that's the question. as of this hour. let's look at some of the other parts of the story, including one of major players in the demonstrations. according to people there. national security correspondent jennifer griffin is at the pentagon. good evening, jennifer. do we know who is leading this revolution? >> well, i think it's a good question. what is notable is who is not leading the revolution. it appears to be leaderless at this point. there has been this talk about the muslim brotherhood, but they've been remarkably restrained. they have been sitting on the sidelines as greg palkot reported, and they have been waiting to see which direction this goes. this is a youth-led movement and very broad-based in nature. we've just talked to the pentagon here. and we're told that pentagon
is not planning to move any u.s. assets in to waters off of egypt. the uss lincoln is in the arabian gulf but it's not put on any special high alert. there are 625 u.s. military service members inside egypt but they were there before the riots began. they are serving in an advisory role. protecting the embassy, bret. >> bret: you covered the middle east for years. some perspective on all of this from you? >> well, what was notable in president mubarak's speech was just how in control mubarak appeared. he came across as paternalistic. the head of the egyptian army, chief of staff inam was here in the pentagon for the past four days am only called back to egypt this afternoon. he and 25 top military advisors were here for the prescheduled talks with the pentagon officials.
they did not see a need to rush home. confidence from the egyptian military, as well as mubarak, despite what we have seen in the street. we have seen in the past, in the '70s that mubarak faced down serious riots. it's not clear which way it will go. >> bret: quickly, wikileaks factoring in again? >> absolutely. they released eight new cables that were written prior to this, back in 2009. of note, particular meeting between general petraeus in 2009, as he was trying to "reset" the relationship with the mubarak regime. after the bush administration. there was talk about how the mubarak regime had reviled what they call the name and shame approach of the bush administration. but also, one particular notable, wikileaks talked about how, this was written in july 2009. other observers tell us that the military has grown less influential, more fractured and the leadership weaker in recent years. >> bret: okay, jennifer griffin, live at the pentagon. thank you.
get the latest from the intelligence community now. national correspondent catherine herridge tells us what he is hearing. good evening. >> thank you, bret. this is a preliminary assessment but the speech is seen as an effort to reduce pressure by president mubarak. the question is he displaced the anger. it's been described as fluid and involved. emphasized that no one conclusion or final determination is emerging that time. as a result, they're assessing several possible outcomes. the tipping point may be in the coming 72 hours. identify and assess player if mubarak is no longer in power. who or what will fill vacuum in egypt. including and not limited to the muslim brotherhood. this group seen by the intelligence community as potentially the most significant political opposition. also mohamed el baradei now under house arrest there.
so with any significant demonstration, number of factors being considered tonight to determine whether the demonstration will ultimately be successful. they would include size of demonstration, whether demonstrators include young and old, suggesting broad-based support and whether demonstrations are sustained and spread the major urban centers to outlying part of country. the view is equip could break any number of ways. for context, i was reminded when we saw the demonstrations in iran in 2009, there were intense and sustained demonstrations and regime did survive. >> bret: interesting. thank you. we're just getting word from the white house. just now, fox news alert. we will get a live statement from president obama in the situation in egypt. you will see it live on fox news channel. we're told at this moment
it's about five minutes away. you will see them reacting in egypt. as we said, president mubarak in power for 30 years. he asked his cabinet to resign and new government saturday but will it be enough to satisfy protesters and get government moving toward. there are a lot of questions on this. we'll hear from president obama in a few minutes. keep it here. fox news channel. tion relief... nothing works better than miralax. tion relief... it's the one. the one recommended by more doctors. only miralax is clinically proven to relieve constipation with no harsh side effects. miralax is the only one. restore your body's natural rhythm with miralax. go to e-trade and tap into the power
of course, we've been talking about the anti-government demonstrations there. growing more violent. president hosni mubarak ordering the military in the streets. late today, he said he asked his cabinet to resign. we will hear from president obama in a matter of minutes. you will see that live here on fox news channel. now to another issue quickly. the most volatile issue on capitol hill. healthcare. the president continues to defend his reform law, while his own administration is granting more and more waivers to organizations that say they simply can't abide by it. chief washington correspondent jim angle reports on the arguments. >> the obama administration claimed today the healthcare law will bring down cause for everyone, once it takes full effect in 2014, as the president made fun of the critics. >> you may have heard once or twice this is a job-crushing, gran granny-threatening, budget-busting monstrosity.
that's how it has been portrayed by opponents. >> reporter: new health and human services report argues families will save money under the law. the original source is congressional budget office that looked at some provisions and predicted the average premium would be 7-10% lower. the same analysis predicted that other provisions of the law would have the opposite effect. saying, "average premiums would be 27% to 30% higher," which prompted the republican chairman of the ways and means committee to issue a statement saying, "this report would be laughable if it wasn't so disingenuous. the fact remain clear, the democrats healthcare law increases healthcare costs." meanwhile, obama administration tripled waivers for those who cannot meet requirement of the law to from 200 to more than 700. >> the obama administration admitting by granting waivers they better make exceptions or else they'll have unintend unintended consequences of
more uninsured not less. >> they will offer $50,000 in annual benefit and it has already granted waiver to mcdonald's and other low-wage firm. some fear they will drop insurance altogether or hire fewer people. >> hire only tetch rare worker or hire contract laborers. then you get out from under the fines and you get out from under the mandates. is that really where we want to do? >> hundreds of entities from bank to church group and school districts say they can't live up to the law. the group includes dozens of union chapters, most of which supported the passage from electrical workers to teamsters to the service employee union which organize low-wage workers. >> they must give the people extensive plan, a plan that could cost half of their annual wage. they cannot afford it. >> the waivers last for a year but can be renewed until 2014, when everyone has to get insurance on the job or through the state run exchanges where many will get federal subsidiaries. >> that is the new
entitlement in the healthcare law that is going to be expensive. >> the administration promises we can have better healthcare at lower prices, critics say they're spending a trillion over ten years so some one will have to pay more. bret? >> jim, thank you. again, etch we're waiting for president obama's statement on egypt in a few minutes. another story, if you ire old enough, you probably remember where you were when you heard about the space shuttle challenger tragic end a quarter century ago. correspondent steve harrigan reports on the memorial service today at the kennedy space center. >> liftoff of the 25th space shuttle mission and it's cleared the tower. >> 25 years ago at 11:38 a.m., space shuttle challenger came apart after seconds in flight. unseasonably cold temperatures called the "o" ring sealants to loosen. flames escaped from the rocket booster as if a blow torch was turned on the ves sale, ten miles above the
atlantic ocean. disaster was high profile as it would have featured the first civilian in space, a 37-year-old social studies teacher from new hampshire. and nasa tv was beamed in schools across the country. generation of school children watched it all happen live. today, memorial service kennedy space center honored the crew members that died that day with all fallen astronauts. besides grief, the channeler disaster shocked those who saw the shuttle program as a symbol of the nation technological prowess. president reagan was scheduled to give a "state of the union" speech that night instead gave a speech about the astronauts, and the challenges they embraced. >> the crew of the space shuttle channeler honored us in the manner in which they live their lives. we will never forget them, nor the last time we saw them. this morning, as they prepared for their journey and waved goodbye. slipped the bonds of earth to touch the face of god.
>> shuttle flights were halted for two-and-a-half years after the challenger. the shuttle program comes to an end later this year while the next vehicle and mission for nasa remain unclear. in miami, steve harrigan, fox news. >> bret: when we return, as you look live at the white house, the state dining room there. we will go to the white house to hear president obama deliver a statement on the turmoil in egypt. keep it here. on fox news channel. z>zñjzñg?wúw@ñómñññjow7;í ahh! auto.
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>> bret: welcome back to "special report." we're waiting news conference from president obama. today saw protesterers clashing with police and military personnel ordered in the street. egyptian president hosni mubarak has demanded his cabinet resign. and promise the appointment of a new government saturday. let's quickly and we're under two minutes to the president get an update from correspondent greg palkot live in cairo. greg? >> reporter: bret, yeah, president hosni mubarak coming on state television late tonight, giving those offers of reform. of aid. and calling for calm. it was the end of a tumultuous day and night here. we watched in the street while protesters clash with riot police. both sides using some heavy duty stuff.
there were deaths, there were casualties, there were injuries, there were arrests. went through the day without the help of the internet or the mobile foeps, shut down by the government here. with the help of the muslim brotherhood, the islamists movement here. and it's now getting involved in the fight as well as secular leaders like mohamed el baradei, the former i.a.e.a. chief. he is getting involved, too. when night fell, there was a military curfew. that meant the military moved in. riot police pulled back, but the protest didn't. government buildings here like the headquarters of hosni mubarak political party was hit as well as the radio and tv center. what is the reaction to the mubarak comment? we spoke to a few people who said it was too much defiance, not enough concession. we heard from people in the street that verdict, the instant analysis from the people. protesters here in about 1:00 in the morning cairo time. "go, go, go. leave, leave, leave." it doesn't look like they'll
give up anytime soon, bret. >> bret: greg palkot life in cairo. go quickly before the president arrives to mike emanuel on the north lawn of the white house. >> reporter: senior official says president obama spoke for 30 minutes with egyptian president hosni mubarak and the purpose of the statement is him to lay out in public the remarks. >> bret: mike, thank you. the president of the united states. >> my administration has been closely monitoring the situation in egypt. and i know that we will be learning more tomorrow. when day breaks. as the situation continues to unfold, our first concern is preventing injury or loss of life. so, i want to be very clear in calling mon egyptian authorities to refrain from any violence against peaceful protesters. the people of egypt have rights that are universal. that includes the right to peaceful assembly and association. the right to free speech.
the ability to determine their own destiny. these are human rights. and the united states will stand up for them everywhere. i also call upon the egypt government to reverse the action they have taken to interfere with access to the internet. to cell phone service and social networks that do so much to connect people in the 21st century. at the same time, those protesting in the streets have a responsibility to express themselves peacefully. violence and destruction will not lead to the reforms that they seek. going forward this moment of volatility has to be turned in to a moment of promise. the united states has a close partnership with egypt. we cooperated on many issues, including working together to advance a more peaceful region. but we have also been clear that there must be reform. political, social, and economic reforms that meet the aspirations of the
egyptian people. in the absence of these reforms, grievances have built up over time. when president mubarak addressed the egyptian people tonight, he pledged a better democracy and greater economic opportunity. i just spoke to him. after his speech. i told him he has a responsibility to give meaning to those words. to take concrete steps and actions that deliver on that promise. violence will not address the grievances of the egyptian people. suppressing ideas never succeeds in making them go away. what is needed right now are concrete steps that advance the rights of the egyptian people. meaningful dialogue between the government and citizens and path of political change that leads to future of greater freedom and greater opportunity and justice for the egyptian people.
now ultimately, the future of egypt will be determined by the egyptian people. i believe that the egyptian people want the same things that we all want. a better life for ourselves and our children. and a government that is fair and just and responsive. put simply, the egyptian people want a future that befits the heirs to a great and ancient civilization. the united states always will be a partner pursuit of that future and we're committed to working with the egyptian government and the egyptian people. all quarters. to achieve it. around the world, governments have an obligation to respond to their citizens. that is true here in the united states. that is true in shay, truen europe. it's true in africa. and it's certainly true in the arab world. where a new generation of citizens has the right to be heard.
when i was in cairo after i was elected president, i said that all governments must maintain power there consent. not coercion. that is the single standard by which the people of egypt will achieve the future they deserve. surely there will be difficult days to come, but the united states will continue to stand up for the rights of the egyptian people. and work with their government in pursuit of a future that is more just, more free, and more hopeful. thank you very much. >> bret: president obama in the state dining room. after speaking to egyptian president hosni mubarak. for 30 minutes by the phone. he said the egyptian government must refrain from using violence against peaceful protesters. let's bring in our panel now for some reaction to all of this. stephen hayes, senior writer for "weekly standard." nia malia henderson of "washington post." and syndicated columnist
charles krauthammer. charles? >> i thought that was a very fine line the president drew. i thought it was a good line. clear from the speech that president of egypt just made he is not leaving, he is not shaken and he is ready to tough it out. unlike for example when the shaw began collapsing, he showed a lot of steel. he was paternalistic. i care about my people and the poor. looking at the riots in the street, you would think that he is being unrealistic. the issue hinges on the army. mubarak is from the army. he used to be head of the air force, so he has strong connections with the army. if the army stays with him, he could possibly stay in power. it's not a guarantee. it will depend on whether the riot in the street turn on the army or not. you look at the pictures, where as the rioters attack police, they kind of cheered and waved and welcome the army because it's considered a national institution. it carries a lot of press teenl.
involved in the revolution in the early '50s against the monarchy. the united states is saying to the president of egypt if you try to tough it out, we'll stay with you. if you bring in secular reformers in the government, if you begin a transition. and ultimately if you leave, but it would be not immediately in the middle of the riots as a rout and surrender but in transition in the months to a democratic regime. >> bret: hosni mubarak, egyptian president spoke to the nation earlier tonight in egypt. he talked about a new got formed he said tomorrow. today. egypt time. take a listen. >> we need to be aware of any escalating violence. i am responsible, i hold up to my responsibility, leave it to my responsibility, and
i will not allow this at all. i will not allow fear to take over the citizens. this is why i will not let it control our destiny. and our future. >> bret: a defiant president mubarak. >> this is moment, as the president said, president obama, the question is whether or not the people believe hosni mubarak is the person who can make this a moment of promise and chart out a course for change. we will see he will bring in a new government tomorrow. one of the problems with egypt is over the last 30 years of his rule, there hasn't been an a terntive political -- alternative political class. a class groomed so he will be the one picking these folks. another critical moment will be the election these are coming up on this year. i think maybe some people were expecting that he would say, he wouldn't decree the
election. that's something he didn't say. there is talk he is grooming his son to replace him. >> bret: steve before we take a break your thoughts? >> what we saw from president obama is shift from what we've been getting today. gibbs from his briefing was that hosni mubarak is unlikely to survive. this he didn't say it outright but that's the impression you got from listening to gibbs but president obama said the opposite. he intends to work with mubarak to implement reforms that mubarak spoke of in his speech. the white house is trying to figure out what is happening on the ground to make the next step. >> bret: more from the all-stars and what it will mean broadly to the middle east when we come back.
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>> bret: the white house, president obama delivering a state fire department the state dining room in which he said what is needed are concrete steps to advance the rights of the egyptian people. the u.s., of course, a big provider of aid to egypt. the u.s. military provides $1.3 billion annually to egypt. usa i.d. provided more than $28 billion in economic and development assistance since 1975. just last night, vice president biden was asked about hosni mubarak, the egyptian president and he said, "i would not refer to him as a dictator." back with the panel. steve? >> in fact, he is a dictate or and he has been for quite some time. what is most interesting about this especially in respect to the speech that mubarak gave tonight you have seen people on the street and you expect they would react to that with some degree of skepticism. the reason they heard these things before.
he made a splash in egypt in 1995 and the newspaper that is close to his government say it was the founding of a second republic in egypt, that it was that big a deal he said these things, made these promises. then, of course, he promptly jailed the chief opposition candidate. and brutally repressed people who were speaking out at the time. if you're on the street in egypt, you look at what mubarak is saying and you say i heard this before. we've seen results. it hasn't, he hasn't done with a he said he would do. >> bret: nia, we talked about the administration trying to walk the line here. they did not. the president did not speak out firmly against about the protest in tehran. that were put down by the iranian regime. this is a u.s. ally, the u.s. needs in the middle east. this is a tough line for the president. >> it's a tough line. you have seen everyone in the administration walking a very thin tightrope here. because egypt has been a beacon of democracy in many
ways. in the middle east. even though they haven't actually been fair and now you've seen that the younger people who are poor and struggling with inequality are the ones rising up against mubarak here. so, yeah, i think one of the things that was most sur surprising that came out of the news today is the requestioning of aid and whether or not this is something that the u.s. will continue to do and perhaps it can be used as a stick in terms of forcing our regime change. and reform there. >> bret: charles, a lot of people are looking back to 1977, 1978, the beginning of the iranian protests, and the response by then, the carter administration. and they're worried about the muslim brotherhood. and possibly filling the void in this protest. what about that? >> well, that history is exactly what is guiding the policy of the administration today. and that speech that the president gave. on the one hand, you have one
assumption here, mubarak era will end, eventually soon. he's 82. not going to have a future. he has to be succeeded. on the other hand we remember in the late '70s as you say when the shaw began to weaken, the united states kicked away the stool under him. and abandoned him. at that point, it was over, and as we know, the islamist took over. that's why -- >> bret: form of ayatollah khomeini. >> and the islamic revolution, from which we suffer even today. that's why the president was not ready to abandon mubarak, but he is insisting that the transition start. that's going to start with the new government. our objective here is to make sure that the muslim brotherhood which is the sunni equivalent of mullah in iran, islamist, anti-american and would make the region, put the region aflame has to not achieve power. that is the ultimate objective. arranging for a transition to a secular moderate regime is
our number one priority. >> bret: quickly. after the president, president obama and president mubarak speeches tonight does mubarak hold on to power? >> he does. i'm not sure he can. it depends on the army. if he says we'll try to help him in a transition. >> he stays at least until elections come in the fall. >> i think he's more likely to go than to stay. >> matter of days? >> yeah. i don't think he has it. >> bret: next up, a lot, about how the egyptian situation is being felt far from the middle east. stay with us. ú@%
the nile is having its impact on gulf coast workers in louisiana and mississippi, as the price of american crude oil surged some 4% in daily trading friday. sign of overseas invessors worry about a sudden disruption in flow of a million barrels a day of oil and fuel through suez canal to middle eastern market. middle east means more to united states and european allies than mere money. >> in the so-called war on terror, the jihadi ideology comes from the middle east. the middle east also is the birthplace of religion, judaism, christianity and islam. for all of these reasons it is really important area for the united states. >> our strongest regional ally is israel, which shares americans' democratic values but whose long occupation of disputed territories partly fuelled the anti-western forces around her. egypt is the ollest and most populist arab state, first to make peace with israel and against festering extremism and autocracy where half of the population of 80 million
lives on $2 a day or less. across the red sea, saudi arabia, repressive monarchy and the leading producer and exporter of oil. to the north, iraq, where thousands of americans died in two wars. and the region surging would-be superpower and the ayatollah regards america as the great satan and commands the largest ballistic missile arsenal and trillion dollar oil economy used to bankroll hamas and hezbollah and centrifuge program aimed most analysts agree at development of a nuclear weapons capability. steve hadley wrestled with the region as president george w. bush's national security advisor. >> the disruption you're seeing is a result of the failure of the regime to go forward with political and economic reforms that might have won support for the people. >> in arab muslim state like syria and lebanon, refrain is heard the regulation lution of the palestinian conflict would reduce tension across
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>> bret: we capping our top story mobarak has asked his cabinet to resign. this is the fourth day of demonstrations and the most intent. mubarak is promising formation of new government on saturday. president obama said there must be change in egypt and mubarak must respond to his people. decrease in foreign aid in egyptian authorities use violence against protesters. no kicker tonight. quickly a final thought from the panel. steve? >> a tough line the white house
has to walk because the prospect of muslim brotherhood in power in egypt is discouraging. there is a risk the white house could end up being on the wrong side of history here with president obama's remarks seeming to get the back of mubarak even with his word about the protesters and just yesterday as the region is turning toward a messy democracy, you have the united states ambassador to sierra presenting his credentials to ba sharia sad. >> certainly something happening in the middle east. happening in tunisia and yemen and of course now in egypt. the emergence of social networking, twitter, facebook as a real tool of democracy. and i think that's going to be something we see over and over again. >> bret: charles? >> among the opposition in the streets is a very widespread strong democratic secular opposition. our job is to make sure it isn't crushed by the more organized discipline islamist as happened in tehran in that revolution. our first attempt is